Gladiator's Helm alternatives? - Guild Wars Forums

Soup4Brains · Aug 20, 2005, 03:42 PM // 15:42

I abosultely HATE the way my 1.5k gladiator's helm looks. I was thinking of using a Knight's Helm, but is it worth it for aethsetics to lose the 1 point energy boost and +1 to tactics in favor a +1 strength boost? I don't think losing 1 point of energy is going to hurt much, but what concerns me is Tactics. Is Tactics really an essential attribute that I need boosted?
Sorry if this is confusing, and thanks in advance.

bigfatguy · Aug 20, 2005, 03:46 PM // 15:46

why don't u just use a rune of minor tactics on a knights helm?

Soup4Brains · Aug 20, 2005, 03:57 PM // 15:57

Well, my question is whether Tactics is even a worthwhile attribute.
But now that you mention runes, how do you get runes from items? Do you have to use an expert salvage kit?

hotspur · Aug 20, 2005, 04:09 PM // 16:09

If you want to use the Crimson Carapace Collector Shield Health+45 when in stance dmg -2 when in stance, then Tactics is a must. I have yet to come across an uber strength shield, im not sayiing they arnt out there but Ive not seen one.
As for getting runes from items, the answer is yes, Expert salvage kit them.

Soup4Brains · Aug 20, 2005, 04:18 PM // 16:18

So basically, other than to use items that require tactics, there's not much point?
I never use shields because I'm a hammer user.

Looks like now my problem will be getting the materials needed for the Knight's Helm.

hotspur · Aug 20, 2005, 04:23 PM // 16:23

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Originally Posted by Soup4Brains

So basically, other than to use items that require tactics, there's not much point?
I never use shields because I'm a hammer user.

Looks like now my problem will be getting the materials needed for the Knight's Helm.

Errr...well sort of but tactics is supposed to help you defensively, although Ive not seen the stats, but i do take less damage with +9 tactics than +3.

Soup4Brains · Aug 20, 2005, 04:30 PM // 16:30

The description of Tactics says that it helps with defensive and protective spells and whatnot. Anyway, I'm fairly positive I'm going to go with the Knight's helm, but that'll take awhile now. I guess rather than farm nonstop I'll just play the game as usual until I have everything I need. My only problem is being short on money.

Sayshina · Aug 20, 2005, 04:43 PM // 16:43

Stances are godly. Read up on the descriptions of some of your stances.

A lot of kiddies ignore stances because they usualy don't do damage, and a damage geek has no patience for understanding skill interactions. He can only do simple math, so he can't get past the "this skill does xx dmg and that skill doesn't".

If you're a knockdown War going up against another knockdown war, balanced stance could make all the difference.

Glad defense DOES do damage, guaranteed at that.

Defensive stance, Berserker stance, Bonetti's, the list goes on. They are all instant cast, uninteruptable skills that do something good. Most of them have reasonable cooldowns as well.

When my War is needed to tank, I take not a single attack skill, with the possible exception of Glad. I spec nothing or very little into a weapon tree, and I bring a shield and high tactics. I also leave the superior and major runes at home. I take at lease 4 stances, and I worry about doing my job. TANKING does not mean killing. It means holding the line so the CASTERS can do the killing.

I would say that tactics are the single best skill tree a War has. The fact that they are so often ignored is more a statement of the maturity of the player community than a statement about their worth.

Eonwe · Aug 20, 2005, 04:50 PM // 16:50

Tactics is a worthless skill line when it comes to pvp, aside from a small number of shouts. For pve? Go nuts, tactics is a good choice if all you want to do is take, or avoid as much damage as possible.

Vash Aers · Aug 20, 2005, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by Sayshina

I would say that tactics are the single best skill tree a War has. The fact that they are so often ignored is more a statement of the maturity of the player community than a statement about their worth.

I think it all depends about what aspect of the game your talking about, for PvE stances are awesome because you can hold back whole groups of enemies and not take too much damage, but in PvP more often than not if it comes down to the other team attacking warriors your team has already lost making your stances a moot point because it doesn't really matter if you can stay alive for a little while longer cause the rest of your team is dead.

Soup4Brains · Aug 20, 2005, 06:46 PM // 18:46

Can Steel Ingots be salvaged from Charr armor?
I just used a whole expert salvage kit worth of salvages on the armor I found farming outside piken, and not a single steel.

Ensign · Aug 20, 2005, 07:36 PM // 19:36

In PvE Tactics is an outstanding line for a Warrior Primary. You want to be the tank, and all of those defensive stances help you with that immensely. You could argue that it's a more important line than your weapon attribute in PvE.

Now in PvP it's more marginal. Defensive stances on a Warrior are largely wasted, and you'd only want Tactics for a narrow set of skills. Generally Strength and your weapon attribute are the way to go in PvP, for more damage and aggressive skills.

For the original question, how much effectiveness are you willing to give up for looks? That's entirely up to you. PvE is easy enough that your choice of armor is going to be largely irrelevant, so using what looks good, while not the most effective plan of action, is not going to be the difference between success and failure. On the other hand, you're going to be laughed at for using a non-weapon attribute helm in PvP. So I'd suggest using whatever you want on your RP character, but when it comes time to enter the arena put your best equipment on and try to win.

Peace,
-CxE

Soup4Brains · Aug 20, 2005, 08:21 PM // 20:21

Strength isn't a good attribute for PvP? O.o

Savio · Aug 20, 2005, 08:40 PM // 20:40

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Originally Posted by Soup4Brains

Strength isn't a good attribute for PvP? O.o

I think the +1 in your weapon works out better than +1 Strength, but I'm not sure. But Strength > Tactics in PvP anyway. You could always get two separate helmets if you can't decide

And to answer your other question, you have a higher chance of salvaging steel from higher level armors. I don't think I've ever gotten steel from Charr armor; it's a waste to use expert salvage kits early on.

Soup4Brains · Aug 20, 2005, 08:52 PM // 20:52

Well, what drops metal items then? I've made it as far as the Sage Lands and was also run to Droknar's. Anything outside Droknar's that drops metal?

Ensign · Aug 20, 2005, 09:51 PM // 21:51

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Originally Posted by Soup4Brains

Strength isn't a good attribute for PvP? O.o

It's a fine attribute but there's a big difference between being a good attribute and being your highest attribute. Builds that use Strength will usually put it in the 9-12 range. Spending your hat on it instead of your weapon is a colossal mistake.

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Originally Posted by Savio

And to answer your other question, you have a higher chance of salvaging steel from higher level armors.

That's true pretty much across the board - the higher quality the item, the better your chances of getting the material from the rare column instead of the common column. Steel comes from all sorts of items - swords, axes, hammers, wands, shields, and some armors. You just won't find the armors worth spending the expert salvage on until later. You're best off just buying the stuff early on, offer ~180 for an ingot and you should find sellers.

Peace,
-CxE

EverBlue · Aug 20, 2005, 09:57 PM // 21:57

I like my gladiator helm. Looks good with my gladiator armour. but I also enjoy the +1 sword.

pyrohex · Aug 20, 2005, 10:23 PM // 22:23

I play completely for aesthetics, and the gladiator's helm is butt ugly. I actually deleted my first warrior because of it...heh. But now, I've bought the Ascalon helm and am back on track to living a healthy life. Um, game life.

EverBlue · Aug 20, 2005, 10:41 PM // 22:41

I think it looks pretty sweet. Nice and simple.

ratatass · Aug 21, 2005, 03:40 AM // 03:40

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Originally Posted by Eonwe

Tactics is a worthless skill line when it comes to pvp, aside from a small number of shouts. For pve? Go nuts, tactics is a good choice if all you want to do is take, or avoid as much damage as possible.

Watch Yourself is outstanding in PvP and a must in PvE. It's cheap and has tremendous range. just with a few points invested you add 20 armor to the entire party.

Ratatass

Aug 20, 2005, 03:42 PM // 15:42	#1
Soup4Brains Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Throat Punchers Profession: W/E	Gladiator's Helm alternatives? I abosultely HATE the way my 1.5k gladiator's helm looks. I was thinking of using a Knight's Helm, but is it worth it for aethsetics to lose the 1 point energy boost and +1 to tactics in favor a +1 strength boost? I don't think losing 1 point of energy is going to hurt much, but what concerns me is Tactics. Is Tactics really an essential attribute that I need boosted? Sorry if this is confusing, and thanks in advance.

Aug 20, 2005, 06:46 PM // 18:46	#11
Soup4Brains Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Throat Punchers Profession: W/E	Can Steel Ingots be salvaged from Charr armor? I just used a whole expert salvage kit worth of salvages on the armor I found farming outside piken, and not a single steel. Last edited by Soup4Brains; Aug 20, 2005 at 07:05 PM // 19:05..

Aug 20, 2005, 07:36 PM // 19:36	#12
Ensign Just Plain Fluffy Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Berkeley, CA Guild: Idiot Savants	In PvE Tactics is an outstanding line for a Warrior Primary. You want to be the tank, and all of those defensive stances help you with that immensely. You could argue that it's a more important line than your weapon attribute in PvE. Now in PvP it's more marginal. Defensive stances on a Warrior are largely wasted, and you'd only want Tactics for a narrow set of skills. Generally Strength and your weapon attribute are the way to go in PvP, for more damage and aggressive skills. For the original question, how much effectiveness are you willing to give up for looks? That's entirely up to you. PvE is easy enough that your choice of armor is going to be largely irrelevant, so using what looks good, while not the most effective plan of action, is not going to be the difference between success and failure. On the other hand, you're going to be laughed at for using a non-weapon attribute helm in PvP. So I'd suggest using whatever you want on your RP character, but when it comes time to enter the arena put your best equipment on and try to win. Peace, -CxE __________________ Don't argue with idiots. They bring you to their level and beat you with experience.

Aug 20, 2005, 03:46 PM // 15:46	#2
bigfatguy Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: My bed Guild: Illusion of Dark	why don't u just use a rune of minor tactics on a knights helm?

Aug 20, 2005, 03:57 PM // 15:57	#3
Soup4Brains Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Throat Punchers Profession: W/E	Well, my question is whether Tactics is even a worthwhile attribute. But now that you mention runes, how do you get runes from items? Do you have to use an expert salvage kit?

Aug 20, 2005, 04:09 PM // 16:09	#4
hotspur Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Location: England Guild: New Dragons Profession: W/Mo	If you want to use the Crimson Carapace Collector Shield Health+45 when in stance dmg -2 when in stance, then Tactics is a must. I have yet to come across an uber strength shield, im not sayiing they arnt out there but Ive not seen one. As for getting runes from items, the answer is yes, Expert salvage kit them.

Aug 20, 2005, 04:18 PM // 16:18	#5
Soup4Brains Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Throat Punchers Profession: W/E	So basically, other than to use items that require tactics, there's not much point? I never use shields because I'm a hammer user. Looks like now my problem will be getting the materials needed for the Knight's Helm.

Aug 20, 2005, 04:30 PM // 16:30	#7
Soup4Brains Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Throat Punchers Profession: W/E	The description of Tactics says that it helps with defensive and protective spells and whatnot. Anyway, I'm fairly positive I'm going to go with the Knight's helm, but that'll take awhile now. I guess rather than farm nonstop I'll just play the game as usual until I have everything I need. My only problem is being short on money.

Aug 20, 2005, 04:43 PM // 16:43	#8
Sayshina Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005	Stances are godly. Read up on the descriptions of some of your stances. A lot of kiddies ignore stances because they usualy don't do damage, and a damage geek has no patience for understanding skill interactions. He can only do simple math, so he can't get past the "this skill does xx dmg and that skill doesn't". If you're a knockdown War going up against another knockdown war, balanced stance could make all the difference. Glad defense DOES do damage, guaranteed at that. Defensive stance, Berserker stance, Bonetti's, the list goes on. They are all instant cast, uninteruptable skills that do something good. Most of them have reasonable cooldowns as well. When my War is needed to tank, I take not a single attack skill, with the possible exception of Glad. I spec nothing or very little into a weapon tree, and I bring a shield and high tactics. I also leave the superior and major runes at home. I take at lease 4 stances, and I worry about doing my job. TANKING does not mean killing. It means holding the line so the CASTERS can do the killing. I would say that tactics are the single best skill tree a War has. The fact that they are so often ignored is more a statement of the maturity of the player community than a statement about their worth.

Aug 20, 2005, 04:50 PM // 16:50	#9
Eonwe Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Jersey Guild: Idiot Savants	Tactics is a worthless skill line when it comes to pvp, aside from a small number of shouts. For pve? Go nuts, tactics is a good choice if all you want to do is take, or avoid as much damage as possible.

Aug 20, 2005, 08:21 PM // 20:21	#13
Soup4Brains Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Throat Punchers Profession: W/E	Strength isn't a good attribute for PvP? O.o

Aug 20, 2005, 08:52 PM // 20:52	#15
Soup4Brains Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Throat Punchers Profession: W/E	Well, what drops metal items then? I've made it as far as the Sage Lands and was also run to Droknar's. Anything outside Droknar's that drops metal?

Aug 20, 2005, 09:57 PM // 21:57	#17
EverBlue Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Canada, AB, Calgary Guild: Arcane Draconum Profession: W/Mo	I like my gladiator helm. Looks good with my gladiator armour. but I also enjoy the +1 sword.

Aug 20, 2005, 10:23 PM // 22:23	#18
pyrohex Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005	I play completely for aesthetics, and the gladiator's helm is butt ugly. I actually deleted my first warrior because of it...heh. But now, I've bought the Ascalon helm and am back on track to living a healthy life. Um, game life.

Aug 20, 2005, 10:41 PM // 22:41	#19
EverBlue Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Canada, AB, Calgary Guild: Arcane Draconum Profession: W/Mo	I think it looks pretty sweet. Nice and simple.